DEPTH Dialogue
Deep Inwardly Focused Socratic Dialogue

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Criteria For Validation Of The Practice

It is justifiable to question the validity of DEPTH Dialogue since large and sweeping claims are made here about what the practice is and what it accomplishes, and since it is so unique and new (at least to the modern world.) What is there to back up these claims?

There are three main criteria for evaluating whether this new practice called DEPTH Dialogue is what it claims to be. These are all followed through at various places in this website which will be pointed to.

I. Scholarly Criteria
II. Functional Experiential Criteria
III. Practical Criteria


I. Scholarly Criteria

1. Socrates and Plato were serious in their claims that the Dialectic (here called DEPTH Dialogue) is a real and practical path of "care for the soul" into full self-realization.

2. Specific guidelines for the practice of Dialectic are provided throughout Plato's Dialogues. They are what Socrates and Plato say they are. These guidelines refer to Dialectic as the practice of "care for the soul" into full self-realization, and are also serious and real.

3. The "functional interpretation"  is at least one valid way of looking at Plato's Dialogues, backed up by solid academic research and scholarship.

4. This functional view clearly takes Plato's statements about the Dialectic and its practical means out of the realm of the mystical and/or fanciful. Since the statements are functional they refer to specific actions, and these actions are testable.

5. Plato not only makes statements about what Dialectic is and how it is practiced, but he exemplifies and illustrates these by the very form and contents of the Dialogues themselves. Each of Plato's Dialogues presents an instance in the practice of Dialectic. In the functional interpretation these are also actions which are testable.

6. The first criterion for testing the specific actions of Dialectic referred to above is whether they match the goals of Dialectic that Plato states.

7. The second criterion for this is to see whether they produce the results that Plato claims for the Dialectic.

8. The only way to evaluate the last two criteria is to have a working practice of Dialectic. This is because any merely textual interpretation does not and cannot test specific actions. You must have the reality of actions and then examine what they do and what results they produce.

9. DEPTH Dialogue claims to be a practice that puts the specific actions of Dialectic into play. If this is truly the case, then we have a concrete way to evaluate the specific actions of Dialectic presented in Plato's Dialogues. In other words, we have something that claims to be the practice of Dialectic, whose actions can be evaluated and then this evaluation applied to Plato's statements about Dialectic and to his exemplifications in the form and content of his Dialogues.

10. But this means that we first have to evaluate whether the specific actions of DEPTH Dialogue match the specific actions of the Dialectic in Plato's Dialogues. If they do, then we can go on to evaluate the Dialectic itself.

11. This evaluation of DEPTH Dialogue's match with the actions of Dialectic depends on the second set of criteria. This is presented next.

(For the arguments and evidence on the above points see the sections on Plato's Transcendental Dialectic, A Practical "Functional" View Of Socratic Dialogue, Scholarly Validation, and Plato Studies.)


II. Functional Experiential Criteria

1. In order to develop a set of functional actions that correspond to the functional interpretation of Plato's Dialogues it is necessary to in some way recapture the modes of experiencing and action of the classical Greek world. This is the world that the functional interpretation claims to more accurately represent than other interpretations.

2. In the last 50 years or so there have appeared several experiential learning methods, mainly in the bodywork field but some also in what might be called "psycho-somatics," that operate in ways that do not reference modern ideas of mind-body dualism. They view and act with the process of human experiencing as an aware inner wholeness rather than as an intangible mind acting on tangible objects.

3. The operating mode of these disciplines closely corresponds to the functional interpretation of the ancient modes of experiencing in classical Greece. They are therefore eminently suitable for providing some kind of entrance into the kind of actions we are seeking in order to validate the specific actions of Dialectic presented by Plato in his Dialogues.

4. DEPTH Dialogue makes use of these disciplines not by taking on their specific actions but by utilizing the fundamental principle that is common to all of them. That is the principle of experiential repatterning.

5. Even more to the point, the highest, most effective of these disciplines use a higher and more subtle form of the principle of experiential repatterning. They use what I have called Dynamic Pattern Transcendence. This principle is the most refined essence of these disciplines, and it is therefore most suitable to the very refined practice of Dialectic.

6. DEPTH Dialogue is a practice that utilizes the principle of Dynamic Pattern Transcendence. It extends and generalizes this from merely bodywork to encompass the whole range of human experiencing and acting. It is thereby a functional learning discipline.

7. DEPTH Dialogue encompasses the whole range of human experiencing and acting in a way that is consistent with the highest goals of Dialectic as well as with the specifics of the practice, as set forth by Plato and noted in the above section on Scholarly Criteria.

8. Therefore the specific actions of DEPTH Dialogue both meet the criteria for matching the specific goals and actions of Dialectic as set forth by Plato, and meet the criteria for being the specific kind of functional action learning discipline that the functional interpretation of Plato's Dialogues calls for.

9. The evidence and arguments in the sections that are referenced throughout this website are the proof of this, and thereby validate DEPTH Dialogue's claim of being the true inner dynamics of Dialectic (deep, inwardly focused Socratic dialogue.)

(See A Practical "Functional" View Of Socratic Dialogue, The Inner Dynamics Of Modern Experiential Learning Disciplines, and the whole section on Basics, for elucidation of the above points.)


III. Practical Criteria

1. The functional learning disciplines referred to above have proven to be much quicker, easier and more effective than standard methods based on modern notions of mind-body dualism. This is because they use the principle of experiential repatterning. Most effective are those practices that use the principle of Dynamic Pattern Transcendence.

2. DEPTH Dialogue uses the principle of Dynamic Pattern Transcendence, and extends and generalizes it to the whole range of human experiencing and acting. Therefore its quickness, ease and effectiveness should be similar in this wide field to that of the bodywork and somatic repatterning disciplines. In practice, this is found to be the case.

3. DEPTH Dialogue's use of the principle of Dynamic Pattern Transcendence is specifically designed to match the goals and actions of Plato's Dialectic. By combining the use of the repatterning principle with the wisdom of Plato's Dialectic it thereby gives Dialectic the same scope and effectiveness that Socrates and Plato claimed for it. And it enacts the Dialectic in a way they wrote about, and then illustrated in the form and content of specific dialogues.

4. Therefore, because DEPTH Dialogue has the same goals, the same scope and effectiveness, and the same form of action as Plato's Dialectic, to all intents and purposes it IS the Dialectic that Socrates and Plato wrote about and illustrated, now in practical usable form. At the very least it is a very good working approximation of that.

5. Building on the first two criteria, the practical criteria prove the validity of DEPTH Dialogue as what it claims to be.

(For specifics of the practice of DEPTH Dialogue see the sections on Basics and Advanced.)

6. Scientific Validation. The above line of reasoning shows that DEPTH Dialogue is what it claims to be. Above and beyond this would be field research into the actual effects of the practice with real people in real life. The design of such studies would be different from standard research in the fields of the social sciences because Dialectic itself sets standards of scientific research that are more correct and fitting for such research than what is done these days. Namely, Dialectic itself is a valid means of gaining knowledge in the realm of human experiencing, which is fundamentally different from valid knowledge in the "hard" sciences.

All current methods of research in the social sciences try to adapt methods from the physical sciences, i.e. methods based on manipulating, controlling and dominating "objects." Dialectic represents a viewpoint that does not subscribe to the mind-body dualism which this presupposes. Therefore, this method does not apply. There is another method, and Dialectic shows what it is. (See The Science Of Human Action for an explanation of this method.)

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